Mauser proof marks This lot all apparently source from Century, they are all probably some foreign government contract. Just because a Mauser has the cut out for the stripper clip doesn't mean it was actually a military rifle. What they told me was that if the mark is stamped over the bluing, it will push the bluing up around the stamp and in some cases it will eventually flake off. It is a sporterized version but the butt plate has the same serial number as the rest of the rifle. This P38 at the time of writing is available from D&B Militaria in the UK and is very well marked all over. This rifle paved the way for new British Proofs. The caliber is marked 8. 32 caliber. I enclosed photos with the acceptance marks. The next marking says "proof-house munich" I think and "378" means that it was marked in 1978 "I think", probably when the rifle came back to germany. I need some help identifying/deducing some provenance through proof-marks on what I believe is a Pre-War commercial Mauser C96. Only the Imperial Arsenal Amberg used a different symbol, a crowned Bavarian Lion. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. 25 and . Mosin Nagant HQ Hello! New to the forum (and k98's) and hope I am posting in the right place! Does anyone have any information on a 1938 K98 from factory 27 with "77" proof marks on the receiver? It is also "L" Luftwaffe marked on the stock. The stamps are repeated on the ring and the bolt. The mark you are describing is the proof mark found on all pocket models prior to 1940. The LO is indeed a Nazi steel lot code for that barrel. There is Le Perron Mark Belgian View Proof Acceptance Stamp for firearms "Perron" (the two dimensional flat looking style) My reference suggests this is a Liege inspection mark possibly for inspection of the breeching system. See photo. The objective of this newly expanded Mauser HSc Data thread is to provide an interactive site for the exchange of information on wartime Mauser HSc pistols. I used that to find a matching 30-06 barrel with the same crown proof mark and even the same vise indentation marks. The lower (not pictured) does not have any "unusual" markings, Pre-NS hammer, all other parts matching. N. My knowledge of Mausers is very limited, however. There is an "83" under a crown Here is Lee Kennett's complete listing of Belgian proof marks in his "A History of Proof Marks: Gun Proof in Belgium," published in the 32nd edition of The Gun Digest (1978), I have a proof mark book which has the German proof marks in a sort of chart, which I do not fully understand. Re-blue. Started by Foxhound1331. 92x57mm (8mm Mauser) that I purchased 04/27/2020. Early example of Mauser Luger. 14: WAFFENFABRIK MAUSER A-G OBERNDORF A/N 1918 15: 3 Proof markings. 8) military WaA135 WaA63 is correct for "real" Kar98k rifles from Mauser Werke Oberndorf from about mid-1935 through to 1940. 1288 posts · Joined 2004 Add to quote; Only show this user Mauser rifles 1919 to 1932 - Weimar Republic . But it is worn and has lost its finish. 22? Thanks . a transfer, sighting, misuse, etc. It's labeled as a "Colombian Model 1929 / 34 Mauser Barrel Assembly, 23. The 2357 is obviously the serial number. 5K views 14 replies 5 participants last post by SAKIJOE Mar 10, 2007. It features both German party proof marks on the receiver and barrel, as well as French markings, indicating its production during Mauser Pocket Pistols, 1910-1945. Image of Yugoslavian M1899C bayonet Yugoslavian M1924 Mauser Short Rifle, closely patterned after the FN M1924 short rifle. It shoulb be on Observations: (by "Claven2") Note: Pics of rifle provided courtesy of Milsurps. These markings are typically stamped Markings on Swedish mauser rifles. The double mark below the Zella-Mehlis ledger mark( 282) is not a proof mark, rather, I believe it is the commercial barrel maker's mark. The Perron appeared on the bolt before WWII but was eliminated from the bolt after WWII, giving a general age of I need some help identifying/deducing some provenance through proof-marks on what I believe is a Pre-War commercial Mauser C96. Mauser. I believe the proof marks are W154, S92. 595 posts · Joined 2003 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Mar 7, 2007. In fact the German markings are very strong and clear. It was made in the mid 1920s. (1910,1914 & 1934) not HSC or vest pocket models. a. (1) 5840 Historic Firearms v 2742 Century International Arms: The subject proof mark OUTLINE compares poorly. The vz. com moderator Claven2. Thus, establishing the approximate age of most European proofed guns is greatly facilitated. the only proof mark it bears is the standard civilian proof mark. You will also see proof marks on most British military weapons sold out of service. The only two sub-variants are defined by the proof marks on the right side of the slide. The supplement to German 1892 proof rules and tables shows 222,5 as the guage number for 7,00 dia bore dia. sauerfan. The serial number is C5639 b. The action is a Mauser 98. I'm brand new to the forum but I have a question on the Circle Z proof mark. Joined Apr 25, 2020 Messages 624 @runner reached out to me via PM and suggested that it would be a good idea to put together an informative / research post on Polish Mauser bolts regarding what sort of markings or configurations are “correct”, what markings would show up on various Polish Mauser models/variations, what are some telltales for reworks, etc. Here is Lee Kennett's complete listing of Belgian proof marks in his "A History of Proof Marks: Gun Proof in Belgium," published in the 32nd edition of The Gun Digest (1978), 129-138. G. The BNZ markings were the German ordnance code for weapons made by Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG, at Steyr Austria. It is similar layout, a double action first shot . The weapon had ceased production in 1937 but the order was filled from remaining stocks. In addition to the features listed above, Mauser rifles also have a number of markings that can be used to identify them. There are no waffenampts on the metal only commercial proof markings and a diamond at the end of the barrel and receiver serial numbers. Hundreds of line drawings, charts, and indices "Double Crown over U" proof is stamped behind the rear sight. ) "Germany" (import marked? if so by whom and or where?) 2. 719” - showing the bores to be that size at nine inches from the breech - introduced in 1954. Come join the discussion about . There were only about 30,000 of It has an FN barrel with five marks that I can see. There are no proof Swedish Mauser Markings Runs With Scissors: As I understand the markings, a 1 means perfect or near perfect bore with little or no chamber/throat erosion; a 2 means there is Welcome and thanks for posting your questions about your Mauser. The floorplate seems to be original (again to my amateur eye). The L mark means that the gun was imported from a country whose proof is not recognized by Belgium (U. Good Day to all. does the berlin star/flower mean it was something the russians but on or made to have put on after ww 2. Blade S/3 digits and 36, sheath S/3 digits and 36 more rarely. CHOKE - introduced in 1887 and discontinued in 1954 1 1/8 - the shot load, introduced in 1896. Mauser used it on 8mm Same “e” suffix. On the right hand side on the front of the trigger guard there is a sideways 8 or a B stamped on it. Welcome and thanks for posting your questions about your Mauser. Ice rifle nonetheless and one that you can rechamber without ruining a collector. 63mm or 9mm - 10 round magazine Unknown: Mauser C96 Bolo - produced 1921-1930 The K98k Mauser Forum. if so does these communist markings, diminish the value of This concise directory contains the most important proof marks of the European countries. Attachments. The Mauser "crown/U" proof mark is located on the upper left side of the receiver below the serial number and on the top left side of the bolt. Early 63 marks had the droop "weimar" eagles and by 39' they had what was known as the stick "nazi" style eagles. This 1943 NAZI MARKED Unfortunately the German proof-marks (at least the ones I could find) are all post-WWII. (German arms companies were disbanded, the machines and tooling sold BELGIAN PROOF MARKS Mark Number Description Dates Used Mark 1 The Perron, sole proof mark until dropped in 1810, Since 1853 used to indicate inspection or proof of breeching system. Jump to Latest 3. After 1940 this became an Eagle/N marking. 92mm Mauser caliber from Mauser Oberndorf in 1937. ) Identifying Mauser Rifle Markings. It has all matching serial numbers. For the most part, the majority of Gewehr 98 and Karabiner 98a manufacturers used some variation of an eagle wearing a crown symbol as the firing proof. New Collectors Board German: German Mfg. 65MM”. Yes, the Antler proof mark is the Oberndorf proof mark. . patreon. 11: Possible Turkish markings on barrel just to the right of the rear sight. Sometimes described as a Crown over U (Crown\U) or Double Crown over U (C/C/U). the caliber will not be 8x57mm but more likely 8x60mm and . /N'' commercial proof to left. Nothing like the pictures in this forum. C. 63mm - 10 round magazine Approximately 25,000 produced: Mauser C96 Export - produced 1912-1930 Caliber 7. Also called Waffenfabrik Mauser, located in Oberndorf, You can also look for any other markings on the stock or receiver that may indicate the manufacturer. I thought that Belgium recognized German proof, but that seems to have sometimes been a political matter rather than a strictly technical one. The top proof mark indicates the Kiel Proof House. 98/48 Model 48 In addition to refurbishing guns, the national Yugoslavian armory began production of their new Mauser design, the M48. I've also photographed all the decipherable markings in hopes someone with knowledge can help identify who this gun may have been made for These are so-called Weimar style proof marks. It was developed from the German Mauser Gewehr 98 line, and features a similar bolt design. Without the markings its impossible to Markings Mauser 98 08-01-2021, 06:51 PM. the rifle looks like it is more likely from the 1920s. It's post production, anyway. The black leather holster is in great condition and is marked “jhg/44”. From what I have been able to read about identifying Markings on Swedish mauser rifles. It has the "N under eagle" powder designation and the Ulm, Germany proof mark (antler). HI I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THESE MARKINGS ARE ON THE FRONT STRAP OF A 1914 MAUSER PISTOL . Not a high dollar collectible, but still curious about the markings. ) because the source was created at the time of the event itself. At first I thought they were peen marks but it clearly is a "77" and don't seem to see any swastikas anywhere. The left side of the I recently purchased my first Mauser HSc. Made by Mauser/Oberndorf. I have located an additional proof mark on the barrel: a Crown over the Help identifying Mauser Proof Marks 09-25-2017, 02:13 PM. I'd really like to figure out a manufacturer but these are the only markings [ Mauser ] Can anyone tell me what year and round does this shoot upvotes MAUSER K98 JP SAUER S/147 RIFLE NAZI 1937 PROOF MARKS for sale online. I'm looking at an old custom bolt action varmint rifle built on a Model 98 Mauser action. It will therefore be used as a standard against which the others will be compared. sporter. HSC KAL 7. Before the Second World War, Czechoslovakia had produced the VZ-24 Mauser rifle for many years at their arms factory in in the city of Brno, having received most of their tooling from Germany under the Versailles Treaty in the 1920's. The stock appears obvious capture with numbers proof marks? Jump to Latest anybody know where i could find a list of proof marks?? iv got a fn deluxe action mauser with matching numbers and a bunch of proof stamps. They are put on the small parts of your pistol because they were fit to it when it was initially made. There is an "83" under a crown stamp on the bottom plate. Jump to Latest 8. Test fire proof on the barrel as well. Evidently you haven't seen many pre-WWII, WWI, German rifles. Free Registration; Contest; Profile; My Inbox; Wish List; Watch List; Buy Now Purchases; Saved Searches; New Today; New This Week MAUSER K98 JP SAUER S/147 RIFLE NAZI 1937 German Mauser 98k Manufacturer's Codes (1934 - 1945) SVW MB: Mauser Werke AG, Oberndorf-am-Neckar (under direction french ) Year Markings Receiver left 1934 S/42K FP - SN 91 74 91 S/147K rightside FP - SN 116 114 114 S/42G FP - SN 167 165 WaA211 S/147/G rightside FP - SN 116 114/114 JP Sauer and Son gun factory Suhl S/147/G FP - SN 116 114 114 When I processed pictures I have noticed a very small German military proof mark on the rear strap, between the serial number and the stock lug. Oh so many questions. B. and help would be MAKER MARKINGS 1871–1918 Amberg (Bavarian Royal Arsenal) Anker-Werke AG, Bielefeld Bayard (Anciens Établissements Peiper SA, Herstal-lèz-Liège ,Belgium Trademark) Beka-Records (Karl Lindström AG subsidiary), Berlin ANKER - WERKE BIELEFELD BIELEFELD A N K E R - W E R K E BIELEFELD A N K E R - W E R K E A G. S. I believe the 3575 is the serial number, but without a good look Mauser made Lugers bear the Mauser logo on top of their first toggle link, where the DWM logo had previously been stamped. Learn to determine which parts should be blued, type of bluing, proof markin No other marking is there except one. 440 58. 1900-1918: P. Otherwise, it bears the usual "crown over N" (for nitro) commercial German proof mark, "Geschert" (safe) by the safety lever, "Geladen" (loaded) on the Hi all -- recently came into a Mauser Broomhandle and would like some help identifying it. Page details technical specifications, development, and operational history of the Mauser C96 Semi-Automatic Pistol including pictures. 1672 – 1810, 1853 - present 2 Replace #1 in 1810. How to read the markings on the Swedish m/94 Carbine and on the m/96 and m/38 Rifles. com/us New to the forum, I just recently acquired a Mauser C96 red 9 with some proof marks I cant find any info on. This new gun had more German features than the prewar Yugoslavian M24 (sight 4" barrel, 9mm caliber. 25 inches likely Erfurt). The BNZ markings were the German ordnance code for weapons made by Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG, at However, the 'Weimar' proof symbols were used for a number of years after Hitler came to power. 323 groove. LSB#: 210527BB02 Make: Mauser Model: Deutsches Sportmodell – also known as DSM Model 34 Serial Number: 3885 Year of Manufacture: 1934-1935 Caliber:. Collector's Comments and Feedback: 1. It's not the typical BUG set, but the cown-over-N nitro mark together with two I can't identify. The country was on good terms with Germany, and so Portugal placed an order for 100,000 K98k rifles in 7. at which time the Mauser Proof Marks with pics Jump to Latest 7K views 8 replies 5 participants last post by Pisgah Jul 26, 2008 thanks dondone the mark i said looked like arrow surrounding an o were the exact ones of a berlin star/flower. I have attached photos below. They have Wehrmacht proof marks and the Mauser serial numbers come from the early- to mid-1930s. Mosin Nagant HQ Firearms Of The Rising Sun The Lee-Enfield Forum The K98k Mauser Forum RKBA Forum. Can anyone help me make heads or tails of all Example 03--1900 American Eagle. Without more pictures, best I can tell you is that the bolt handle, barrel, and receiver all appear to match and you have various inspection/acceptance stamps. 35 GERMAN PROOF MARKS Description: MAUSER 1910 matching numbers marked with "Double Crown over U" and "Triangle in Circle". Manufacturing On the left side of Lack of markings I have a P38 that seems to have a lack of markings of any kind. Although this is an indisputable fact, it is also indisputable that very few collectors fully Back to the barrel markings; my own 1898 Oberndorf Mauser for John Rigby is marked thusly: 7,0 7,25 220 and under this is 222,5. 430 Military Action Mauser 98 proofed in August 1927 - 8. I have a Sporterized Mauser from Interarms purchased through Sears in the early 70's. I need some help with identifying proofmarks on a commercial Mauser. Your firing proof mark is a small lion on the right side of receiver ring, bolt knob Characteristics Markings Mauser K98 left view Type: Mauser K98k right view Mauser K98 marking details Mauser K98 marking details Mauser K98 marking details Mauser K98 marking details They are proof of an SALW event (e. Included in this offering is an all matching early K-Date with the Scriptic "S" proof on all the major parts, two matching magazines, an "Ö][37" marked loading tool, a 1934 holster with the police proof. If so there were about 21,000 proofed like that, out of the 55,000 G Check for availability of correct WWII K98k sling with German Waffenamt WaA markings, which by itself can add approximately $100-$150 value to the rifle. They would often remove all identifying marks except serial numbers and then restamp 11: Possible Turkish markings on barrel just to the right of the rear sight. AH fanatic. Kiel Proof House Mark. Original factory blued gun on the left, with crisp edges and crisp, deep lettering on markings. SAKIJOE Discussion starter. Can be either of these. 98/22, also a Czech derivative of the Gewehr 98. Thread starter MET1288; Start date Jan 3, 2016; M. The barrel steps configurations are the same as in the Turkish Mauser 1903. The markings under the barrel are believed to be inspection markings made during the process of manufacture, denoting passing inspection, within tolorences, machined on a Mauser Proof Marks. Mauser et Cie. The vz. 62 which leads me to think it’s a Spanish Mauser but one of the proof marks it has which is located on the underside of the rifle on the magazine is a circled cross and I can’t match it with any other Spanish Mauser proof marks . 98k S/42G Marking. It has been in the In 1871, the Mauser brothers released the Mauser M1871 rifle. Jump to Latest It has most major makers proof marks in it and should be in the reference section of your local library, or one very similar. Some of these had octagonal receivers. The rifle shown in the picture virtual tour is marked on the Mauser Werke AG, Oberndorf a/N receiver as Code 42 1939. There are several ways to identify a Mauser, namely the date The markings on a Mauser K98 can tell a lot about its history and production run. Not used on revolvers. Has a stock lug, blank chamber area and marked extractor and safety. Some very stylized, some super simple and basic, Until 1940, pistols made at Mauser were proofed by the Ulm proof house (which had a proofing office at the factory), using a Crown/Crown U marking. Dec 30, 2019 #9 Thanks. 318 groove rather than . I would like to know: 1. The 7354 b are the serial number and letter block, 1-10000 serialed rifles for each letter block. guns have the same mark). There are probably more marks that would help us including under the wood line. According to Kersten, Moll and Schmid, these were likely purchased by the High Command of the Armed Forces and issued to motorcycle and flak crews of the Hello, I purchased this Mauser 1914 and I am interested to know any information about it. Each mark tells a unique story about where it originated, who made it and when it was made. After 1940 this became an This is a recording of a workshop given at the 2014 AFTE (Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners) conference in Seattle, on the subject of proof marks Excellent Mauser DSM-34 Bolt Action Training RifleThis Mauser sporting rifle is equipped with a ramped blade front sight and tangent rear sight graduated to 200 meters. g. Mauser Identification -Ulm, Germany proof mark - 4 digit serial - unique crest The Art of the Rifle: Bolt, Lever, Germany proof mark (antler). If so is it common to find Iraqi markings on a M48 with a Yugo crest. Save Share Reply Quote Like. Below is a chart showing the 172. Pistols & Holsters. My name is Pete and I have an interesting Mauser Rifle I need help identifying. 1K views 13 replies They looked at some of the proof marks because it had a Model 65 barrel. K98k markings identification. way to tell the difference is to look at the receiver face to see if there are old marking underneath the new Turkish marks. This rifle became the main German battle rifle of World War II, and was exported by the Germans to several other countries. Advanced Search Buyer's Tools . At the end Action Markings: Yugoslavian Crest. In 1930 the machinery, technicians and supplies were All of the Savage markings were scrubbed and it has British proof marks and "Not English made" stamped on it. 35mm The proof mark on nearly all is the crown U. Your serial number also contains a suffix. The right side of the slide is blank, except for the vertically stamped crown-over-crown-over-U nitro proof mark at Are there any charts of PDF file(s) that has the Crests, Proofs and other markings for the Mauser k98's? All Countries of Manufacture? To be able to identify and have some The Military Mauser Forum Yugo M48 Crest and markings Is that a Iraqi marking by the serial number. The Nazi eagle on the receiver and barrel are firing proofs, indicating the gun was high pressure tested and is safe. Take this circa-1974 Walther PPK/s for instance, which was made in West I don't see how it could be a sporterized military rifle. A little more info on the proof marks, 1924 German commercial proof laws changed and in addition to Crown over B (rifle proofed in assembled form), Crown over U(final inspection proof), sporting arms were stamped with a Crown over G (indicating a weapon with a rifled bbl). Next to the serial is the firing proof. 8K views 4 replies Looking high and low for any information on the acceptance On the Mauser 1914, I think anything below the 180-thousands is Imperial from 1918 or earlier; you can tell a military gun by the presence of the military mark in front of the rear Cyphers, Acceptance and Proofs The subject of acceptance and proofing is the most important element of German military rifle research, almost everything relevant about a MAUSER 1910 6. pete Discussion starter. i would like to try and figure out what they all mean. The Swedish Mauser Markings Runs With Scissors: As I understand the markings, a 1 means perfect or near perfect bore with little or no chamber/throat erosion; a 2 means there is some, and a 3 means the next step is a rebarrel - by Swedish military standards. P. , Box 280, North Hampton, OH 45349, USA, tel. WE ONLY ACCEPT VISA AND MASTERCARD ***** We are offering a very attractive Mauser K98 byf 43 marked rifle. Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22 The following member says Thank You to HerrKaiser for your post: cirelaw 07-19 The K-98k is a bolt action rifle that was built on the Model 98 system in the 8mm Mauser caliber. trigger guard cyq 2nd variation 500 (?) ? to 486 5 5 or more small parts with e/359 stamps cyq 3rd variation 41,000 546 to 985-d 1 early frame and extractor cut cyq 4th variation 228,000 1584-d to 9804-z 1 late frame and extractor cut Guns imported must have valid proof marks accepted by Eibar proof house. The Eagle over 214 (E/214) is known as a waffenamt inspection marking. This particular pistol (Serial #908194) bears the “Eagle/N” proof mark on the right side of the trigger guard, on the right side of the Mauser (and relatives) reciever markings Honestly one of my favorite parts about collecting mauser action rifles is the absolute variety and uniqueness of each reciever marking/crest. 1. Mauser 98 Identification Guide Markings. These marks are applied to firearms after undergoing rigorous testing to determine their ability to withstand prescribed pressures and safely fire ammunition. This early pistol, very similar to the 6. 1937: Remove the barreled action from the stock and post CLEAR, LEGIBLE pictures of the proof marks. Mauser Werke: Borsigwalde (Be) Gun Proof Marks, Stamps and Date Codes Details Published: 04 July 2020 Established as Gebr. Learn to determine which parts should be blued, type of bluing, proof markin Markings Mauser 98 08-01-2021, 06:51 PM. SOLD Curio/Relic: Yes. SN B-8511. 08-Army Markings on a M1884-98 bayonet . The stamps Mauser Proof Marks. 38s. 61 - . Leftover parts were intermixed with new Mauser parts in production of this pistol. Rimfire Central is a forum community dedicated to . Proof marks are the Luftwaffe acceptance proof found on the barrel, and the right side of the receiver. -G. Understanding these marks can be quite an WaffenAmt Receiver Proof Mauser/Simson reworks - 1926-1933 Prove that this is for mauser / simson reworks. Edit: The I am looking for some help in identifying what I believe is a 1910 Mauser. By seeking the marks listed in the table, the latest a gun could To make sense of these proof marks, let’s look at those on the above slide chin. OBERNDORF A. The 'proof marks' under the barrel are most likely inspector/assembler marks and not proof marks. The smaller eagle is the German proof mark, which was changed in the late 1930's from a crown over a N. It does mean the action was manufactured with This Mauser Oberndorf K98 rifle, stamped \"svw MB,\" was manufactured in 1945 and carries significant historical value. 4K views 8 None of the other metal parts have serials or proof marks (at least that I've noticed/are visible externally). The serial number is 1368 with a scripted "k". Even the largest North American parts dealers failed to identify my The Eagle/N proof mark indicates commercial production. The left side of the slide displays following markings, "Waffenfabrik Mauser A. The Mauser E/655 proof is found on the barrel and the bottom of the magazine and inside the grips. Could any of you provide some info on my new acquisition or point me in the right direction to get some background on the pistol, thanks . A crown over RC indicates that the original Olson,Ludwig, SOLD FOR: $1025. 27 Praunsmandtl Brothers of Ingolstadt Small ring receiver 1. Between 1907and 1909 a prototype in 9mm was introduced. It signifies that an official army inspector (as opposed to civilian manufacturing plant personnel) of the weapon inspector office inspected the part or assembly (for example, the assembly of the barrel, sights, and receiver) and approved it for inspection. And: plenty survived, as the guns in Portugal spent their service time This is an on going thread used to gather data on all Mauser pocket models . i think it is the army mans mod. 32 widely used by German military and police from then throughout WW II. Hitler became "Fuehrer" in 1934. The bigger stamps near the thanks dondone the mark i said looked like arrow surrounding an o were the exact ones of a berlin star/flower. 25", Steyr-Solothurn" on the website. Marks showing crowns over the letters B, U, (proof approved); G (rifled barrel) span the period from the first German proof law until 1939, Gauge - inch 51. That Mauser was imported into Belgium at some point. The thing about the rifle is it says it’s a M1916 chambered in 308win or 7. If I recall correctly from memory, they are all relatively insignificant markings applied during refurb. 1864, name changed to Mauser Werke Ag. 0 Replies 5704 Views March 09, 2024, 11:10:42 PM This proof mark is not the in house Mauser proof so it was most likely made by a German Smith using Mauser actions. On early rifles like the VZ98 and VZ98/22 the V was used as a firing proof mark. Side view of a Mauser 1887 barrel. Example 05--Erfurt LP-08. A handy guide to determine Mauser proof marks left a trail across many Lugers. I have see at least one other 1914 Mauser with a number stamped in the same location but to date there is no explanation for the marking. Not perfectly aligned, all other evidence points to the barrel being original. Mauser brought the HSc out in 1938 to compete with the Walther PP and PPK. Text Mats Persson. 05 - . It identifies the manufacturer or subcontractor associated with two-letter codes that would be stamped on various parts of the rifles. Good Day to all, My name is Pete and I am new to this site. If you strip down the action 1888 Sporting Rifle Proof Mark ID Hey guys, hope you're doing well. Proof marks vary from one country to Before you even get to your second post, all the “38” markings are the last 2 digits of the gun’s Serial Number. Cyphers, Acceptance and Proofs The subject of acceptance and proofing is the most important element of German military rifle research, almost everything relevant about a rifle under discussion comes down to these markings found on the rifle and various components. Mauser reported the following total sales figures: 1911, 11,012 sold; 1912, 30,291; 1913, 18,856. the 156. Primary Paul Mauser's dedication to designing the perfect bolt-action is an incredible story of innovation. 50 - . British proof marks. From what I gathered in information, the powder quantity stamp indicates a 1912 or earlier date, the weapon was made in Munich The Crown/U is a proof mark and found on all Mauser pistols and rifles made before 1940 when the proof mark was changed to an Eagle/N. If not, the gun must pass a suitable proof and this stamp is put on the barrels and important parts of the gun. For most of the P38 pistols it is really easy to determine the production date from the markings on the pistol (manufacturer + serial number + prefix/suffix letter). I assume that this might be a a German imperial proof mark, but I can't identify it, it's dull but the imperial crown is there and also a This is a recording of a workshop given at the 2014 AFTE (Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners) conference in Seattle, on the subject of proof marks Other markings are usually either proof marks (indicating that the barrel was test fired with cartridges loaded with a larger charge of gunpowder than normally used to ensure safety) or Waffenamt (ordnance department) markings, indicated by the symbol of an eagle with outstreached wings with the letters WaAxxx below, where xxx is a 2- or 3 the long, script S on the barrel means it went through the Suhl proof house in Suhl, Germany. Mauser 9mm 1938 build 98% all matching sweetheart I'm keeping my eyes open for "the right" Swiss and "the right" Navy Lugers to complete my collection (don't care A MAUSER HSc PRODUCTION HISTORY that contains serial numbers I found online says that my gun with the serial # 726 826 is Dated 1942 and falls between 749 270 to 809 671 and there were 7,300 units made for the Police. Is it a military gun or was it made for the civilain market? 2. 2 in) barrel Mauser 1914 markings. The 214 under the eagle probabyl means Feb. 38s went to the German military forces: "Heer" (Army), "Luftwaffe" (Airforce) and "Kriegsmarine" (Navy). Not even "Walther" stamped on it. Since Kiel is only 17 Mauser Pocket Pistols, 1910-1945. Eibar Mauser pocket pistols are a scaled down version of an earlier design prototype. Jump to Latest 2. c. Simson Final Proof Reworks - 1924-1934 Is Crown N ( C/N ) proof mark for Commercial Proof 1908-1914 The arrow shaped stamp is the Perron proof mark and indicates the final proof mark on a receiver. Jump to Latest Your 1914 Mauser pocket model is a standard post WWI commercial pistol. : 800-531-2665 Some of the codes are well-known to collectors - the Mauser byf, the ac assigned to What are the different Crown/ U proof marks? I see that Joop uses the abbreviation Cc/U. 63mm - 10 round magazine Approximately 136,000 produced: Mauser C96 1920 Dated Rework - produced 1920-1925 Caliber 7. To start I got a Mauser HSc with serial number 714713. What a collector needs to know about the Mauser 1930 Commercial C96 Broomhandle. Reactions: Bob Nelson 35Whelen. 12: Eagle with 5439C serial number. Mauser Guns Collectors Forum » Pistols » C96 / C12 Broomhandle; Pages: [1] 2 3 10 Subject / Started by Replies / Views Proof Marks Guide/ Help Identify. I could not find it on my three other, later manufactured Red Nines. This rifle's serial is 3765P. /MOD. Your pistol was made by Mauser Werke in 1935 as indicated by the S/42 and the G. Given the early evolution of semi-automatic handguns (Luger P08 9mm, Colt 45ACP, FN Browning 9mm) I would guess that the Walther Model 1 must be pre-WWI in the German Imperial Era. The 7,0 is bore dia in mm, the 7,25 is the groove dia in mm. 38. These are what we call Suhl Mausers. A Hello! New to the forum, post-wise (and k98's) and hope I am posting in the right place! Does anyone have any information on a 1938 K98 from factory 27 with "77" proof marks German proof marks. From June 1942 until April 1945 the slave laborers at the Spreewerk Werk Grottau factory in Grottau, Czechoslovakia produced approximately 280,880 P. 729” and . Sidewall Markings: FNRJ Mod. 1931-1935. One of the first Lugers to be finished with "Salt" blue process. R. 0 Replies 5704 Views March 09, 2024, 11:10:42 PM Walther was the earliest to begin production in June 1939, followed in 1942 by both Mauser and the lesser-known Spreewerk. Model 1895 Mauser (Germany) Spanish Contract Bolt-Action Box Magazine Rifle (repeater/ breech-loader/ smokeless powder/ cartridge ammunition) Made for Spanish-speaking countries, the Mauser Models 1893 and 1895 are essentially the same arm. 22 caliber pistols and rifles, optics, The complete BUG and crown Proof marks started in the 1920's. I could probably look it up. mm. I want to identify what it is and what it's value is. I see nothing beyond the identical 98k bolt to indicate "sporterized". I like number matching. Those are strickly the armours disc Mauser C96 Flatside - produced 1898-1902 Caliber 7. Army, Navy It shows as possibly a 43 Mauser or 11MM. 57JS. This example has no Imperial proof markings. 1931-> Eibar. In around 1938 those with the swastika appeared. if so does these communist markings, diminish the value of Proof and Acceptance Marks Almost all of the Mauser manufactured P. Save Share PH bought a factory that had tunnels filled with Mauser in case of invasion. I'm away from my reference books do to illness, so I can't give the exact year the German Proof law changed. Gun Proof Marks Gun proof marks are standardized symbols or stamps that certify a firearm's safety and compliance with specific legal requirements. I can say with reasonable certainty that it is not a military or From The Standard Directory of Proof Marks, by Gerhard Wirnsberger, ISBN: 0-89149-006-X, undated, distributed by Blacksmith Publishers Corporation, Chino Valley, AZ 86323, USA Blacksmith Corp. Then maybe we can help you. Maker Mark Prefix Letter is Year of Manufacture (instituted 1955) A = 1955 Germany (1871–1918) See Imperial German Military Bayonet Maker Markings 1871–1918 Imperial German Bayonet Makers 1871-1918 Imperial German Royal Cyphers 1871-1918 Germany (1933–1945) See German M1884/98 III Bayonet Makers' Markings Germany (post-War) the long, script S on the barrel means it went through the Suhl proof house in Suhl, Germany. The manufacturer's number, which must remain secret, (blade and sheath) will be coded in S/ and 3 digits from 155 to 245 and K (1934) or G (1935). Originally when Steyr started making Mausers, it used the code "660" to identify its rifles, but then changed to BNZ in 1941, reportedly after exhausting parts that had been All other original marking have been scrubed from the barrel but a crown proof mark. What proof mark is there? WaA135 6) Grip -Walnut Wood 7) No other marks. 450 54. it is not the type B because it has the stepped barrel. I'm here to share some images of the rifle and gather any information, specific to my gun, that I can. Looks like I will also need to find someone with knowledge on german proof-marks NP with crown over- the Birmingham Nitro Proof mark, introduced in 1896. The Military Mauser Forum. Sole proof mark until 1853, when it became the mark for Like the other German or export models, our Ottoman or Turkish models have unique proof markings punched everywhere. Mauser produced most of the WW II era and post WW II Lugers. The Russians loved to electropencil non-matching parts as if they were matched and would mark each capture with an “X The S/243 designates the action was made in the Mauser AG Borsigwalde factory. It appears to be the number "82" that was scratched on the side of the lever that pivots when the gun is cocked. The Receiver indicates it was manufactured by CS. 65". It is clearly a wartime commercial model, and looks to be in pretty good shape. This concise directory contains the most important proof marks of the European countries. This is a Stage II proof and the Eagle 655 with the numbers in a straight line which is an early (1939) barrel proof. Army, Navy, Police German: Foreign Mfg. Needing Help Identifying Mauser proof marks. cyq 1st variation unk (2 guns recorded) 8+ e/211 proof on l. Jump to Latest 23K views 7 replies 4 participants last post by Combat Diver Mar 18, 2010. Additional work produced the "Pistol M711" mark which was more or less based on the 792 AE !! 897 S BUG 1 916 S BUG no N 1 E no unrelieved frame 1000 1147 S no no N 2 E no 1261 Bulgarian 1408 S BUG no N 2 E no 2000 2001 C no 2002 AE no no 2 E GERMANY 2004 AE no GERMANY 2007 AE no GERMANY 2010 C 2011 AE no GERMANY 2019 AE no no 2 E GERMANY 2021 AE no yes 2 E GERMANY 2025 AE no yes 2 GERMANY 2070 A friend of mine picked up a Mauser, which was configured as a K98, but it wasn'tAlso, please consider supporting me on Patreon:https://www. I've attached a couple of pictures of the gun. I have one Sporting Rifle made ca 1920. GEW 98 Stock styles and markings WW1. Obviously it was a made to order hunting rifle but by whom and when/where?? The Third image shows other markings - any idea on what they are? The fourth image show the S/G42 markings, which, if I understand correctly means manufactured at Obendorf Mauser Werke in 1935? The 7. There are no proof marks on the surface of the gun only very intricate engraving over 80+% 0f the rifle. and help would be What a collector needs to know about the Mauser 1930 Commercial C96 Broomhandle. 22 rimfire enthusiasts. The front sight is similar to what I seen on older Models like the Turkish 36/46 Kale and the rear sight matches some of the South American variants. S KK IV also says 7,65 on right side with mauser banner on left. you have a 'prewar commercial' gun , albeit an early one. Pistols and Holsters. bigwagon said: Detail shot of left forward receiver area with proof marks (B under a crown; G under a crown; U under a crown; N under a crown), serial number (6226) and maker's name (MAUSER-WERKE A. 62 stamp is obviously Israeli . Czech Mauser ID. It is marked Mauser-Oberndorf. 92 cal the cross is a maltese cross or cross of Santiago. The Mauser C/96 Broomhandle pistol was manufactured between 1896 until about 1936, and over a million examples were made. His father, Andreas Mauser, had worked as a 1915 German Luger proof marks, looking for explanation behind them. John Telford. So since you do not have it on your gun, and have a late style extractor - according to Shroeder's classification. The blueing is nice and dark I have what I believe to be a German Mauser 98k. Your receiver originally was produced at Brno probably 1937. A W This example is one of many Mauser pattern rifles that were made in Germany for the Government of Chile. It is all matching numbers. "10. The M98 Mauser action is the most successful bolt action design ever to exist. Mauser's Patent" (in one line). The bigger stamps near the breach are arsenal refits or maybe a unit mark. Chapters are organized so that each time period covered by a specific proof law is contained within that chapter. MET1288 Member. Some in the serial number range 163000-179249 will have a Prussian eagle on the front of the trigger guard. Look on your bolt root for any proof marks on the rear face and particularly underneath the root for acceptance. Conclusion. Mauser "eagle 135" proof marking on the barrel. Weapons manufacturing appears to have Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. Unknown marking to the left of "GEW 98" 13: Possible Turkish markings on top of barrel just rear of the rear sights. Obernforf a. Mauser Pistols: 1910, 1914, WTP, HSc. You have a Turk Kirikkale Mauser, the only variety of "1938" Mauser thought to have the receiver made in Turkey (and therefore the only model of Mauser to be completely made in Turkey). 33. This gun has been in my family at least since the late 60's. Top The markings above the serial number 8757, starting with the "eagle with N", are german proof marks. Jump to Latest 6K views 10 replies 5 participants last post by DK PHILLIPS In Memoriam Sep 26, 2017. Test fire proof on the locking block. This document provides information on manufacturer codes found on German Mauser 98k rifles produced between 1934-1945. See all The Mauser proof mark "eagle 135" will also be on the locking block. Mauser Rifles 1933 to 1945 - The Nazi Period . Also a circle-looking stamp. The eagle N proof mark on the right side of the trigger guard and front of the slide in your pics also appears in the same German firing proof eagles - variations I used to know who supplied dies to factories based on markings on original marking dies used, but I've since forgotten that. Left side of the frame is stamped with nice "Mauser" trade mark. From Diggory Hadoke, Vintage Guns, Skyhorse, Many old guns may have been re-proved once or more, often in a different proof house from the original one. In the middle of WWII, this was made for civilian purchase. The Mauser has a turn down bolt handle but not turn down all the way to recess the rifle stock. A June 1944 produced Spreewerk P. 24 rifle is a bolt-action carbine designed and produced in Czechoslovakia from 1924 to 1942. It is not Nazi per se because it is sitting on a N not a swastika. "Double Crown over U" proof is stamped behind the rear sight. It is an Intermediate action Mauser. There are no marks on the big ring except a number 9643 The K98k Mauser Forum. The rear sight leaf looks to be German made. 21 posts · Joined 2009 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Sep 19, 2017. ," and extensive British proof marks on the barrel. I think this is part of what is called the toggle. SteveMKentucky Active member. Different variations bring different prices based on their rarity. Help ID'ing a few proof marks on a K98. Front toggle link is still marked DWM. If the eagles are Droop Winged (Weimar), then it is up to about 1937. The left side of the slide bears the “MAUSER” makers mark as well as “MAUSER-WERKE A. The reblued gun on the right has rounded corners and fuzzy proof marks? Jump to Latest anybody know where i could find a list of proof marks?? iv got a fn deluxe action mauser with matching numbers and a bunch of proof stamps. During the 1939 "w" block of production, there was a transition to inspector 655 which is an eagle carrying a medallion in its talons which is what I think you are referring to as a The Spanish were vague when it came to arsenal markings and what they meant compared to Germans for example. Boltman Discussion starter 59 posts · Joined 2008 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Mar 15, 2010. 34. - Mauser Swiss Berne Krieghoff Krieghoff Simson DWM Erfurt Other Chamber Year Date/Code Example Date = 1916 Example Code G = 1935 Example Code K = 1934 Example Code S = Whether made by Loewe or DWM, the 1891 Argentine Mausers are beautifully made firearms well-known for their spectacular receiver markings. One of the most complete K-Date rigs we have ever seen. It also has a P-H stamp. ) #8 in the underside interior of the upper Any help is greatly appreciated! Cheers! German imperial proof mark, a script C in front of the rear sight in the serial number range 13500-179249. The different proof marks that can be found everywhere on the weapon are united on the barrel, this to surely avoid having to disassemble the weapon for verification once assembled. 22 Until 1940, pistols made at Mauser were proofed by the Ulm proof house (which had a proofing office at the factory), using a Crown/Crown U marking. It may have more under the stock. 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. I assume that this might be a a German imperial proof mark, but I can't identify it, it's dull but the imperial crown is there and also a Mauser Guns Collectors Forum » Pistols » C96 / C12 Broomhandle; Pages: [1] 2 3 10 Subject / Started by Replies / Views Proof Marks Guide/ Help Identify. The Mauser Parabellum by Hallock & van de Kant shows no indication that the '39 S/42 marked pistols had what you describe as an 'eagle and swastika' proof mark. 24 Mauser Bolt Action Carbine chambered in 7. German weapons are an easy place to start as the markings are often crisp and clear in the metal. Perfect witness mark, single strike, single instrument, shows no misalignment even under high magnification. Manufacturing On the left side of Help identifying Mauser Proof Marks 09-25-2017, 02:13 PM. Jump to Latest 1. 98/48 RADIONICA 145 Mod. This is a Czechoslovakian vz. OBERNDORF A/N. From left to right German receiver proofs indicate Hardness testing, assembly testing, and final fit. ) Proof mark under barrel 3. Replace no 19. This is the scriptic letter, probably a "c", you will find on the front of the frame under the 4 digits, 9668. The magazine has a wooden base. Fourth Variant Mauser Model 1914 -Standard Post-war Serial Number 290100 - 467700 approximately. These early 1910s are scarce and it is very difficult to find parts for them. The rifle was designed in Czechoslovakia shortly after World War I, to replace the Vz. 7K views 9 replies Assembled rifles do, however, display a Czech "Rampant Lion" firing proof, regardless of German markings, and rifles with letter suffixes on their serial numbers display capital letter fonts for the alphabetical character, as opposed to the lower case suffix Proof Marks from The Blue Book; Glossary from The Blue Book; Gun Collector Organizations from The Blue Book; Hard to identify or value firearms; Peter Paul Mauser, the inventor of the Mauser bolt-action rifle and the youngest of thirteen children, was born on June 27, 1838 in Oberndorf, Germany. Chart showing the syntax of English proofmarks in force over time---an aid in determining a gun's period of manufacture. I'm sure there's an eagle or two. The circle and dot proof mark on all the major pieces indicated it made for government military/police use. Toggle navigation MENU Sign In ; Go Go. There are no importer markings. On the right the bottom of the magazine with the complete matching serial numbers. The pistol bears the German proof marks “Eagle/N” on the right side of the trigger guard and muzzle end of the slide. This was changed to the eagle N in early 1940 shortly before the end of production. Just proof/inspection marks. In my opinion, they succeeded and, but for WWII, would have made a far bigger dent in Walther's sales. This is a recording of a workshop given at the 2014 AFTE (Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners) conference in Seattle, on the subject of proof marks Magazine Bottom Plug Material and Markings_____ Determining values of firearms is always difficult, even when examining a firearm in person. 14 mark is a bore gage mark for use with 8mm. The M1871 was the first successful rifle to come from the Mauser factory in Oberndorf, Germany. 28 Mark as 8MM so it has been rebarreled. so that someone that is looking at Proof marks are well struck and clearly visible. 98 PREDUZECE 44 Mod. Those are NOT the proof marks you are referring to. 1936: These models can be coded as follows: Blade S/3 digits, scabbard S/3 digits and 1936. but the grip strap letters are def. Perfect witness mark, single strike, single instrument. It has nothing to do with the Military. Contact Ian; YouTube; Facebook; Twitter; The comparison clearly indicates that rifle 5840 Historic Firearms, has the best preserved overall Skull with SS proof mark. 24 featured a 590 mm (23. Any assistance would be highly appreciated. And number matching. In the subsequent years, a myriad of fates befell these pistols. 8K views 4 By the time the "n" suffix block came along they had pretty much settled in with the eagle/63 proof mark which lasted up until 1939. EWB marked G98 Spandau 1916 with unusual markings This rifle has a lot more going for it, the receiver is fairly original, only some modern proof markings, and although intrusive they are pretty minimal to modern German graffiti it borders on the ridiculous the German proof laws. 1891 Argentine Rifle Barrel Markings. Is this different than the Crown/ U proof mark, or the same thing? "The Mauser Parabellum 1930-1946" Analysis of a Million Luger Pistols. However it seems they had a law of 1891, 1912, 1939, 1950 The Military Mauser Forum. In addition to the model designation and the manufacturer Lol. Jan 3, 2016 #1 ALL German proof marks are intact, not peened or scrubbed in any way. in 1890. Mauser k98 markings GamesFranco2819 • BYF is the makers code for the Mauser factory, so you have a Mauser produced Kar98 made in 1944. I recommend taking it apart to check for rust under the woodline. The Eagle/63 and These markings are almost certainly identified. S. M. The bottom of the barrel is marked with an "M/star", and with a series of small letters and numbers on the bottom flat. The bolt handle is a tear drop shape, and has 2 proof marks that I recognize as German. Mauser-Werke and Berliner-Karlsruher Industrie-Werke (BKIW), [BKIW was the successor to DWM (Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken)] had common ownership. It is a good looking rifle this is a Mauser Co. The Eagle Swastika and Eagle "N" are proof marks, not unit issue. The right side of the slide does not display, "Mauser - 7. The first 50,000. The crown-over-crown-over-U commercial proof was used until mid-January 1940, All of the Savage markings were scrubbed and it has British proof marks and "Not English made" stamped on it. I picked up an 1888 pattern sporting rifle that I believe is factory but I'm curious about the proof marks. After Spain joined CIP the mark means: Proof of foreign firearms not bearing CIP approved marks. Example 04--S/42 1936. Some older foreign manufactured firearms, such as pistols from I need some help with identifying proofmarks on a commercial Mauser. No small part of the Belgians' remarkable ability to meet the demands of a wide variety of firms trading all over the world was their willingness to go on Mauser: byf series In 1942 the Mauser factory started the production of P38 pistols to fulfill the huge demand for these pistols by the German army. No, not without the proof markings. Anybody know why Parker Hale would have anything to do with this little . It lists the codes alphabetically and the company that each code corresponded to, as well as some of the specific parts each To be clear, import marks are different from proof house marks, manufacturer’s banners, and country of origin stamps. When examine some pics I noticed a proof mark embedded in the engravings of the bottom metal. These same proof marks are on the receiver also. The proof marks and barrel stamps are, indeed, German commercial marks as used by Mauser prior WWI. All these guns were issued MARKINGS ON 1914 MAUSER. As Cleo45 observes, the clam-shell type extender on the bolt release lever is the same as the one in the Turkish Mauser 1903. Turk, etc. The receiver where it says 7. Picture 1: Serial number and letter block. There are no other markings other than the serial number on the various parts. 1914 acceptance. I found this Mauser at my local gun store and I would like to know more about it. Hundreds of line drawings, charts, and indices Mauser wanted in on the market but to do so would require a pistol that was better than the Walther. vnhozy mwrfa ufjwn gixaw skjpu gcrfv mkgb lnglbx aecfg gxwr